[Mimedefang] Mildly Off-Topic: Yahoo! Mail
tim at denmantire.com
Tue Jan 8 22:22:38 EST 2008
> I am becoming increasingly frustrated with Yahoo! Mail.
> A large majority of our mail to Yahoo! is being deferred akin
> to greylisting
> practices. That I can live with. But even after the
> deferment is done and
> the mail is delivered from our side, Yahoo! users are
> complaining the email
> is never received. And these users are familiar with
> checking bulk mail /
> spam folders for false positives.
> Filling out their forms seems to be a waste of time because
> our servers are
> "shared" servers that host multiple domains, legitimate
> mailing lists, etc.
> Of course, we are white-hats, don't send/allow UCE, have full
> smtp auth and
> anti-viral/spam policies.
> We also allow mail forwarding and we only tag, not block
> SPAM. We are also
> the backup MX for hundreds of people. This means that
> despite even best
> internet practices, we do send DSNs, we do relay "spam"
> (marked as such),
> Anyway, so short of telling people we will no longer perform
> backup MX, not
> allowing mail forwarding or changing our fundamental policy
> on tagging spam
> and avoiding false, positives, I'm looking for answers.
> The first suggestion many people have made is to get
> domainkeys working.
> However, most of that work in MD doesn't seem to be
> functioning according to
> the wiki entry. Anyone have it working?
> Or better yet, does anyone have any comments or contacts at
> Yahoo! in their
> postmaster division? It's getting to the point where the
> only thing I can
> do is recommend people don't use Yahoo! mail and it's a
> wonderful interface
> that has long supported groups including many non-profits I
> care strongly
We have a single, unshared server. We do no mailings at all - none. We've
got SPF setup, an abuse address, postmaster gets read, etc. The only email
we send to Yahoo! is single, non-automated messages from a human here to one
of our vendors and one of our salesmen.
It has become damn near impossible to get an email through to Yahoo. I have
filled out their damn forms a half-dozen times. No response, no help at
We have advised our vendor - and instructed our employee - to quit using
Yahoo. There is, unfortunately, no other solution. They don't listen, they
don't respond, and they don't care.
Chief Technology Officer
Denman Tire Corporation
tim at denmantire.com
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