[Mimedefang] monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death

Albert E. Whale, CISSP aewhale at ABS-CompTech.com
Wed Sep 24 07:59:01 EDT 2003


Jon R. Kibler wrote:

>The link has already been made. The evidence is already there. 
>
>Just three problems:
>1) Before you can get the Feds to investigate, you have to demonstrate substantial damage. The law says $5,000, but the reality is a minimum of $250,000... besides, the Feds are too busy on "bigger issues" to care about spammers.
>
As a Member of the Pittsburgh FBI InfraGard, I can assure you that Cyber 
Crime is a TOP Priority of the FBI.  Granted International lines provide 
a Law Enforcement Challenge, Politically I have been assured that there 
are procedures in place to tackle this issue.  If there has been more 
than $5,000.00 dollars Damage (I assume this is True if the DDOS has 
Crippled his Service, He should call his local FBI Office, and Possibly 
the Internet Fraud and Complaint Center http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp.

The LAST thing I want to hear from users on this list is that it is 
hopeless, because it's not.

I would also think that there may be more response to this issue if 
their customers which cannot use the service can document their losses 
as well.  I suspect that given the number of customers, the monkeys.com 
domain can easily substantiate $250,000.00.

>2) These attacks are international in scope. You have to have the cooperation of international ISPs to track down the ultimate controlling system(s). There is already enough evidence in place to show at least some of these attacks originate from spammer compromised systems.
>3) The political will to fight spam simply isn't there. The DMA has deep pockets and, although they say want a crackdown on criminal spammers, their actions to thwart such investigations belie their press releases. (If the DMA was really serious about going after criminal spammers, they would be supporting the work of sites like Monkeys, NJABL, ORDB, etc., instead of fighting them.)
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>Jon
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